Wasting no time, Nancy Victory gets right into the topic (and the panel) that won’t go away, Net Neutrality. She introduces the panelists, some of whom served last year as well, and asks what’s changed since last year.
Ben Scott thinks one change is that things are now going in the right direction. He says that we’re headed towards a baseline protection for consumers and a healthier ecosystem for the industry.
Daniel Brenner, Senior Vice President, Law & Regulatory Policy, National Cable & Telecommunications Association says that things have changed: the tenor of the debate has intensified.
Mike McCurry, Partner, Public Strategies; former White House Press Secretary says one thing that’s different is that we have a lot more data to act on now and none of it suggests that we need to move to rule making and developing cumbersome regulations.
Gigi Sohn recalls last year’s panel, when things were moving along sleepily, and sees the Comcast/Bittorrent debate as revolutionizing the debate. The argument that this is “a solution in search of a problem has gone away.” She disagrees with Commissioner Rosch and sees what Comcast did as blocking.
Kathryn C. Brown, Senior Vice President, Public Policy Development & Corporate Responsibility, Verizon sees this as an issue of capacity. The congestion issue comes up because people are doing more in this age and the market is responding. Verizon is expanding bandwidth so that this isn’t a problem: “this is a transition problem.” And if it is a transition problem, then what does that mean in terms of how regulators should deal with it?
Christopher Guttman-McCabe, Vice President, Regulatory Affairs, CTIA – The Wireless Association believes this is more than a transition problem and cites Japan, which is having similar problems despite a great deal more bandwidth. He says that legislation that would dumb the pipes
Brian Bieron, Senior Director, Federal Government Affairs, eBay, Inc.: This is a long term issue. The debate has already come a long way in two years and he hopes that we don’t focus on the false debate of dumb vs smart pipes. Instead, he thinks the debate should be about the kinds of management, management that favors certain revenue streams over others.
Nancy’s next question for the panel is, given these changes, how do we now judge what’s reasonable network management.
Daniel Brenner (NCTA) says we’re headed for a “major highway construction project to allow for greater capacity.”
Gigi (Public Knowledge) wants to return to the facts of the Comcast issue to get to where we’re headed and says that Comcast was blocking P2P services like video that they also produce. Regarding what’s reasonable: she wants it to be about who has control and she as the user should have it, not the network provider.
Mike McCurry notes that net neutrality does not allow Gigi to choose, it would be the FCC or Congress choosing.
Chris from CTIA submits that networks aren’t managed to the benefits of the operators, their managed to the benefit of the consumers. “you don’t know what reasonable is until you see it.”
Do you agree or disagree that the Comcast/Bit Torrent agreement is a win for all parties?
Ben Scott (Free Press): Don’t declare victory just because these two have decided to start talking. He also asks the audience to reflect on the fact that Comcast went from blocking and saying we won’t talk to Bittorrent to talking to them. Ben doesn’t want Comcast or Bit Torrent to have the choice over what content he receives.
Kathy posits that the consumer voice should be heard. That we don’t know it when we see it and she would caution against legislation or regulation that freezes the conversation. But to begin with transparency is vitally important, consumers need to know what they’re getting.
Brian follows-up on Ben’s points by saying that it’s possible that there’ll be another Bit Torrent tomorrow and any agreements made with Comcast will be null. Does every company adopted by the users at the edge require negotiations with the network operators?
Daniel from the NCTA says that he actually agrees and doesn’t want to see rules and regulation that would prevent the next technology from arrising on the edge.
Gigi argues that the notion that net neutrality advocates want hard and fast is a straw man.
[Sorry, some technical issues and we missed some statements from Kathy Brown and Mike McCurry]
Ben Scott does not see much certainty in the way things are going now in terms of assurances that consumers are getting what they pay for.
Question from Nancy: Does the FCC have authority to enforce current rules and can it go further in creating more rules?
Gigi says that the FCC clearly thinks it has the authority.
Nancy follows-up by asking if the network operator duopoly is part of the problem.
Brian from Ebay says that a little more competition doesn’t necessarily mean more openness, just look at the situation with wireless. It would have to be dozens in order to have competition address the openness problem.
Kathy Brown of Verizon responds that what Brian describes is a situation where there’s competition because of resale on a copper-wire. That doesn’t get us more high-speed networks. In the US, we have fierce competition to build new capacity and we don’t want to lose that…
Chris McCabe believes it’s two simple to even say there’s a duopoly. He notes that “90% of the time you’re using wireless” to check your email or go online and now we have Sprint/Clearwire, a new competitor. The market is moving forward.
Brian wants to clear up his statement and say that what’s key is that the wireless industry, despite more competition has been closed and has not bred innovation.
Chris disagrees and cites the rise of the iphone and his ability to download Google and Skype applications on his phone as being the innovation.
Brian (ebay) says that the difference is that in the consumer broadband world you’re not tied to a device that’s tied to a network.
Nancy asks if the recent anouncements about openness in wireless are signs that the market is working things out when it comes to this issue.
Gigi (Public Knowledge) is skeptical that the wireless industry will go beyond announcements about openness. She’s concerned that providers (citing Verizon wireless) will have an open and a closed network and that the closed network customers will be favored. She’s concerned that the providers have a much narrower definition of openness than she and the FCC do.
Kathy says Verizon is working to bring in stakeholders like Gigi to build confidence that in fact they do have the same definition and that the company is considering a variety of open utilities that will benefit the disabled and the environment…
Ben Scott sees the C Block conditions as an interesting corolllary to the Net Neutrality. He asks if wireless providers would be having a public “Openness contest” without the net neutrality debate and the base line principle of network management.
Daniel Brenner takes a moment to review some of the openness initiatives and innovations that the Cable industry has recently pursued. He thinks that what we’re all searching for is the right model: Ebay did not have to negotiate with Verizon or Comcast to become the leading auction website, but QVC did have to negotiate with Cable to become the leading home shopping network. Different models. Mr. Brenner would like to advocate for “regulatory humility” and allow the difficult process of determining the right model to run its course.
Ben Scott (Free Press) says that setting principles on an issue does not mean there’s going to be a chilling effect and a long regulatory fight and cites program access rules and interconnection rules as such terms that have solidified the market place and encouraged investment.
Brian Brenner disagrees
Andrew Fienberg from Communications Daily asks Kathy Brown and Chris Guttman-McCabe: “reasonable network management” is a part of the C block auction rules, does Verizaon Wireless and the industry have a problem with the term in the C-Block rules as it has when it was used in other instances?
Chris (CTIA) says that there’s no conflict in the responses to the term and Kathy (Verizon) passes on the question.
Audience Question: What about non-BitTorrent users and the potential that there service is being impacted?
Ben Scott: The question is should you block a protocol just because it’s a certain protocol? He advocates for a protocol agnostic basis.
Question, Drew Clark: Shared services and Docsis 3.0 – could you address how that deals with the shared network issue?
Daniel (NCTA): There’ll never be enough capacity that you don’t need network management.
Brian (eBay): Says “the network being fully used” can not be an excuse because then you can always have a reason to discriminate. “it’s always gonna appear to be full on the network,” the question is is there going to be a non-discrimination principle when it comes to network management?
A big thank you from Kathy – and an apology from your humble blogger who had a little trouble keeping up there and identifying everyone, but will go back and clean things up in a bit.